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PsychoSoldier said:

Breaking hearts and shattering dreams since 1990

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Those are rookie numbers... since 1982 here

PsychoSoldier said:

Well, hot damn!

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I wanted to kill you this game, but you werent here

Vote: Future

Puts at L-1

@CWE @Mazer @Satsu @FutureHold

<1hr remain. Anyone want to secure a lynch, or last words to see if this could swing elsewhere?

rock meets hard place said:

So who do you think is scum?

Also is it even humanly possible to sleep for 15 hours?

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I did wake up 2-3 times to go to the bathroom, but yes. it is very possible to sleep for extended periods of time. Happens to me once every couple of weeks based on how cyclical my life has gotten. There comes a point where the body just needs time to recover.

As I said, my POE right now is you, future, satsu. Depending on how the night goes, it may or may not shift.

rock meets hard place said:

yet I'm not scum but you continue to push there. + its only you and listo that continue to scum read me so I'm not really consensus. Why is it ok for you to not want to bleed but you expect me to be bleed/lynched?

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Not pushing you. If I was, Id be calling for your head. I gave you the benefit that you've been active of the 3 that seem to be todays consensus. Im also not calling out people I want others to use actions on.

MTR said:

Sorry been on puppy duty. So not paying attention. I am good with future vote. If I am going to bleed someone I need to do it. Rock? Satsu?
Vote: Future

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Who do you think is the least town of the people left? Would be the best choice IMO.

rock meets hard place said:

bleed BN and occupy Sats?

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Im not scum... and would also prefer not to die.

Sorry about my absence. Yesterday was long and tiring, then i slept for 15 or so hrs.

Looks like we really havent decided on which way to go for a vote. Consensus feels like rock/future/satsu?

Rock has been active at least of the bunch.

rock meets hard place said:

Why do I even post?

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rock meets hard place said:

Vote: Satsu

good luck guys whatever you choose

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sure you expressed future/satsu... but didnt say why. I think isnt much more of a reason then my sus of you for reactions to me.

CWE said:

At work for 7 hours.

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Work sucks, but I need 3 weeks pay to make up for money I spent today and plan to tomorrow.

Who are your top 3 scum and why?

rock meets hard place said:

If you actually wanted me to reply to that I will but I'm going to not waste my time and lynch scum.

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Where do you want to see the lynch go today? Top 3 scum and why?

FutureHold said:

I couldn't bleed MTR if I wanted to, plus if I were to kill MTR I wouldn't delay it, I would do it as a night action. This isn't the strongest argument but I rather not die slowly because of a parental grudge

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Would you make sure he was asleep when you did it too?

rock meets hard place said:

You certainly aren't treating me in good faith so why should I give you the benifit of the doubt?

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Did I not just respond and answer everything in that large post? How is that not treating you in good faith? Because I find your actions sus?

CWE said:

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Anything fun to add?

Where's your mind today?

Fine... ill humor you...

rock meets hard place said:

See the thing is that if you were interested in "giving me any inclination that you are town and can be trusted" you are going to have to use your words and have a conversation but shutting down and going "nope!" is either really scummy or super unhelpful. but sure, let's talk about our interactions!

on d1 I said that Robo isn't my king and then I clarified that I distrusted him.

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At that point on d1... nobody was aware of Robo's alignment. Sure his activity wasnt what anyone really wants to see of a player in the game, but thats sometimes how it goes. Your distrust was of someone that posted and disappeared. More then 1 person did this, but he was the only person that you distrusted for it, or at least stated distrust in.

rock meets hard place said:

You then, for some unknown reason, ignored that. I then lightly mocked/side eyed you with "It's like you got to that post and just stopped reading. I think my explanation in 178 is perfectly fine or do you not think so?" What you said earlier is that I was scummy for being combative at people for not agreeing with me and I fail to see how I'm being combative @ you when you weren't disagreeing with me?. Now maybe I was a bit annoyed that you ignored my explanation but that's not the same thing as getting mad at you for not agreeing with me.

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all 178 said was you distrusted him more then you wanted him gone. While talking about how people have lives. I didnt ignore it. Was just more of the same think, distrust in the king.

rock meets hard place said:

You then followed it up with "d1 isn't the best time to remove the king and blind vote someone new king."

and like no one was suggesting that. My post literally said "He's not getting lynched today and that's fine" It's like you were talking at me but not actually paying attention to what was being said.

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Still think d1 isnt the time in this game where you lynch the king. Doesnt matter if the king flips town or scum (unseen in our case). You would only want to eliminate a suspected bad king if you have an idea on someone that is either town or a neutral you can trust to put in place. This is something I also said in the 1st part of the day when we had the opportunity to vote for a new king and decided no king was a better play for us at the time.

rock meets hard place said:

Here's town Xan talking about how this could be scum posting from you. :)

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Ask listo, mazer, satsu or anyone else playing if that is also something that comes from town!BN. They will say those comments are more or less NAI. Sure its possible for scum!BN, but not out of the realm for town!BN

rock meets hard place said:

I think being cheeky and voting sleep within half an hour of d2 starting was hilarious. I mean, maybe people felt like I was mocking them but that was never my intention.

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You think its hilarious, I thought it disrespectful to the entire game saying we cant get a lynch off. You dont know the community, but decided based on 1 phase what you thought we would do. Its something that pinged me about your play.

rock meets hard place said:

I didn't really like your reply in 296 which basically said that I wasn't putting any effort into the game and just kinda ignoring my d1 contributions. Especially when you said "Is there anyone you are sus of?" and I was just kinda like *facepalm* Like I know you did say that you said my Morrison push was bad and ineffective, other than him being town, yes but the point was that I was actively using my voice and vote and its d1 so it's not like there's much to push on besides activity. So it felt pretty odd that you'd kinda act like I'd been doing none of that. I know you clarified/backtracked that it was ONLY about d2 but even then it just feels disjointed.

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Actively using your voice on d1. These remarks were on D2. When you opened with sleep instead on putting pressure on someone you were sus of. Could have voted there and put for more effort into it when a lynch was possible. So what was it... were my remarks clarified or backtracked? In what way did they feel disjointed to you? If you say they were disjointed, why didnt you ask for further clarification from me at the time?

rock meets hard place said:

I mean maybe in some twisted reality you could say that I'm being combative with you b/c I'm not agreeing with the untrue things you are saying about me but you are also doing this weird goalpost move from "combative with people that don't agree with me." to "I don't like your interactions with you."

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Let me make this clear, I dont like your interactions with me because they feel combative. My thoughts havent changed. Words may have shifted slightly, but the same feel is there for me. I dont like your play. Sure, combative might not have been the best description. But when you say things like "in some twisted reality" doesnt give me the warm fuzzy that you are taking people seriously in their views or opinions.

rock meets hard place said:

I asked you yesterday to give me examples of me getting mad at people for not agreeing with me and even if that was true (wich its not) why would scum do that?

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The way youve reacted to most things this game. Do I need to go back and quote our interactions? I see no reason to argue with you, if you arent giving me any inclination that you are town and can be trusted.

I want to hear more from Future, CWE and Satsu. Even though I feel CWE is a neutral with his own wincon.

I feel rock is sus and he hasnt given me a reason to think he's town.

Mazer said:

the 3pups flip seems pretty apparent. If we're wrong, and he was truthful, would that change your thoughts any?

Blind Ninja jump in on this too?

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Sorry was away for a bit, went a saw Oppenheimer. Def worth seeing on IMAX if you havent already.

listo put together a solid string to figure out 3pups and I feel its the strongest and best way to move forward. Claimed Knight, then the death on Foxxi. Prince hasnt come out saying he jailed/executed Foxxi, so the conclusion of Knight turned Enforcer with frenzy seems most logical. Especially since the Timesnatcher combo could have been prevented with possess.

I know Ive been wrong on a lot of reads in the past, but this is the most solid thing we have to move on this game. More solid then the "info" on Jack. I dont know how my thoughts will change if 3pups flips Knight. Would definitely need to go back and reread the game and see what we missed.

As far as if its not 3pup, just cant shake rock from my mind. Could be bias based on not knowing the person. The Future/MTR stuff also makes me want to look in that direction. Iso and try to figure out what, aside from Future softing an investigation. Also dont like the "At the time of this message" almost as if he wants to be recruited but hasnt been.

rock meets hard place said:

don't really like the "I don't like rock" with no reason but eh. I'll just claim out like everyone else and listo and BN can have egg on their faces. 3pups targeting Mazor over a claimed doc is ????

Vote: 3puppers

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Your play is the reason. When I dont have straight up info to go on, I can only go based on interactions. And you've been combative about things when people didnt agree with you

So we agreed on no King. Fun times.

Looking back seems like listo found some info. Nice find on that. Definitely fits with how Foxxi died.

Full on agree here. 3pups should be the target. Also dont like rock, but thats a problem for another day.

Vote: 3pups

Since nobody seems to want a king... want to start discussing possible lynch targets?

Xanjori said:

Am I dumb or does Jack need to have been targeted by the Timesnatcher to have died last night?

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Based on the roles... with Jack claiming on day 2, he was bled sometime on d1. The since he wasnt healed on n2, he died.

3puppies said:

Looking at the overnight results continues to make my head hurt. Do I understand it right that we are supposed to elect a new king today, and if we don't hit a majority within 24 hours, the leading vote becomes king? But some of you are talking about having no king? How does that work? I will have to re-read the rolecards a few more times to try to figure out.

Am I right that we have two purple cult and two red unseen to find, plus 1-2 other yellow neutrals? Since robo flipped red as a threat to town, does that mean the game started with 3 red, 2 purple, 1 orange and 2 yellow?

Then I went and looked at what the King's role does. Unless there is some well played scum theater, if I were the king, I would probably put Rock and Listo on trial. We could probably learn something based on who would vote for each of these two.

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This is and Unseen game. No cult. The op says 2 Unseen or Cult as part of the starting setup. Not all yellows are detriment to town. Some have own wincon, like survive til end of game, have more then X bridles. So finding all yellows isnt needed. Just ones that want to eliminate main factions.

Answered king question in another post

Mazer said:

Can "no king" just be voted on, or do we have to ratify a new form of government first?

Blind Ninja, what are your thoughts on Jack and morro now?

Cwe?

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Jack flipping Yellow doesnt surprise me. Felt something was off with the restriction. Not saying its impossible, but usually a game at the minimum size doesnt get much in the way of repeated roles.

Morrison, had he not died, I would likely have pressured and voted (not for king) out today, unless he came in, was active, started sussing people out. Hard to no go after someone that had 2 posts in 2 days.

CWE... You know better then most. But the convo between you and foxxi, and based on his responses, I feel he is a neutral with a wincon not associated with main factions.

Reading the rules, King needs Majority. If Majority is not reached, no king will be elected.

Listo95 said:

Honestly? I don't think I have anyone. I'm more than willing to go Kingless for the rest of the game.

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I can get on board with that as well. Based around roles we've lost and what we know is still around.

rock meets hard place said:

We don't have to elect a king? I guess going no king and not risking electing an unseen would be a decent play.

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We would really want a BD or Neutral king. Dont think Psycho king is possible since neutral killer is dead. Unseen king would suck since that team would know who it is and they could potentially recruit the next night.

No king is better then unseen king. And depending on the BD roles left, no king or neutral king might be better then an BD king.

Listo95 said:

Also Blind, the reasoning you have isn't fully correct.

The only way to kill Foxxi who is death immune but not bleed immune is with either a Timesnatcher or Enforcer. This says their N1 recruit was a success, I also had something happen to me last night making it impossible for me to be 2 Unseen roles.

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I said foxxi didnt kill herself...

I guess its possible for her to have gotten bled, but she would have said something.

When you said timesnatcher or enforcer, i looked, but cant see how a timesnatcher could kill... unless weird combo of bled d2/timesnatch combo? so basically a giant FU to a target. (finally saw that after reading that RC 4 times)

We also dont see anything happening to you, so we cant eliminate you from 2 unseen roles.

Since both of you are here... Who are your top 2/3 choices for new king? and why?

rock meets hard place said:

or you recruited on n1 instead of killed?

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Unseen can recruit and kill on n1... since assassin is the killer and mastermind does the recruit

Listo95 said:

Oh I don't want it anyways. Me being king is actually bad for the BD.

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I think im picking up what you're putting down.

Any involvement in only 1kill on N1?

Listo95 said:

I had confirmed info and you still think I'm evil. What role am I? You should be able to give a small list.

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With cant be scum... if telling the truth, theres 1 BD immune to conversion and several neutral that have individual win conditions that dont involve BD/Unseen

Lets just say I dont trust either one of you to be king at this point.

Also trying to unpack the 4th kill...

Foxxi - Didnt kill herself
Jack - Bled out
Matt - Writeup sounds like assassin
Morrison -

And damn, reading The Possessor rolecard... no idea what might be false on this writeup

As far as new king... No idea who to vote for right now. Learning CWE based on his interactions and the convo between Mazer/Foxxi. Willing to listen to all options and secure a king.

Obviously we would want a BD king with a Neutral king as a decent 2nd choice. Unseen would be bad. Not sure we can get a psycho king anymore with the neutral killer dead. So thats at least in our favor.

Not sure what to make of Foxxi's legacy reads in the logbook.

Robo - Unseen king (dead)
Jack - Scorned (dead)
Rock -
Mazer -

Was she pointing at people that she thought were actually sus, or just people she was worried about for her role?

Well shit...

Good news with Night being eliminated. There is the neutral killer.
With Jacks flip, I assume restricted Night and copied was doing it for additional trolling fun.

The bad... Morrison being AFK as cop didnt help us at all. But down another BD.
Good call by Matt to not save Jack. At least we get Val was killed by Assassin.

Matthieu said:

Vote: Robo

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Unsure if this vote counts since it was just bold and not with the vote code.

If thats the case, L-1 with about an hour to go

I was hoping Morrison and/or Robo would both do something today.

Vote: Robo
hasnt done anything to show he was a good king. Feel more likely that morrison was reaped so not worth a vote there.

JackSparrow said:

Why claim and end up like grae? Like i said making yourself a target in tos doesnt go over well

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That wasnt what was said. All youve done is say you were bleeding and that you arent the right target. Begged for a heal. You havent really said who you were sus of or why. Youve given no other thoughts to the game.

Nightingale said:

I should specify - it's a very town reaction for Matthieu

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Agree with the town reaction for him Most people thought his earlier stuff was NAI while I found it sus. Still dont know why he would claim when I was the only person that was poking in his direction.

Nightingale said:

For fucks sake Matthieu... why -.- you had one person prodding you. You didn't even have any votes >.< Also, while I certainly wouldn't mind being inoculated, that wouldn't actually prove anything since I wouldn't be told you did it. The only way it could be proven would be if someone then also admitted to trying to bleed me and I could confirm it didn't work.

Inability to actually use that as proof aside, I believe you - this claiming TPR thing at the first hint of pressure is a very town reaction.

And as Rock pointed out, yes - I was allowed to say I was restricted.

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Guess I miss-read that point, since I dont think it was discussed after the mod note. But good point and went back and reread it.

Listo95 said:

No I believe based on my info that the majority of roles he can be won’t die from the bleed.

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So if he wont die from a bleed, he would know it. You think he is trying to bait a heal as a hinderance to town?

Matthieu said:

Alright, how about a claim? I'm the physician and hoped to lay somewhat low as I often do when assigned an important TPR role. Happy? Going to back off now?

Want me to prove it by inoculating Foxxi or someone else? You know, the sort of ploy I had in mind like during the last game to prove myself innocent and trustworthy?

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So do you plan on healing Jack? Did you find out how Val died?

Nightingale said:

This whole thing is weird - like... did this person pick who Xan had to quote? Because if they did, why *me* who is one of the most vocal people, and not someone who barely says anything? Or was it just a "you can only quote one person" but Xan got to pick who that was? That would make more sense.

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Another thing I find odd... He is able to confirm he was hit with a restriction, when you werent.

So do you find it likely that he will not be occupied by this? Or is there a chance that he is BSing like Jack was?

Matthieu said:

Alright, how about a claim? I'm the physician and hoped to lay somewhat low as I often do when assigned an important TPR role. Happy? Going to back off now?

Want me to prove it by inoculating Foxxi or someone else? You know, the sort of ploy I had in mind like during the last game to prove myself innocent and trustworthy?

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And yet last game you were scum... or last ToL you implied you were the hunter.

I didnt want you to claim. But these kind of bold plays/claims are something you do when claims are allowed.

Matthieu said:

It's your own bias.

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Then give me reasons to think you are town, or at least not a threat to town.

Xanjori said:

No, I do not agree with this

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agree, restrictions suck. And I need to wake up some, so I have some understanding of what you have said

Nightingale said:

@Blind Ninja @CWE @FutureHold @Matthieu @Mazer @morrison @Robozerim @Satsu @Xanjori

None of you even have votes out, and we are running out of time. Gun to head, who are you voting today? Who do you not want to vote today?

I'm personally inclined to vote the king, his lack of interaction despite my efforts isn't a good look.

I don't want to see listo, rock, pups or MTR yeeted.

Unless someone has some reason we should keep our current monarch..
Unvote: CWE
Vote: Robozerim

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People I think should be eliminated today would include Jack, Morrison, Robo, Matt

Morri seems likely a husk with no response 3/4 through the day.
Jack can be removed at EoN if the bleed is true and nobody heals, so would be a wasted vote.
Matt, just vibes I dont like. (or by own bias) But doubt anyone would really get on board with that alone.
So like gonna go for our King thats doing less than most

Yay... now having to decipher Xan. Dont ya love restrictions

Listo95 said:

I can def get on with voting Robo but still think removing Jack today will be better for us. Info I have makes it unlikely he will die from the bleed.

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So you think he is either lying about the bleed or that someone will heal him? which way you leaning?

rock meets hard place said:

not really sure why this bothered anyone. There are less than 24 hours and we can't even get a wagon on the pseudo guilty. There could certainly be an uptick in activity and we put together a lynch by the end of the day but I still feel like there hasn't been that much accomplished today, idk. So far my semi prediction seems to be coming true.

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This is not uncommon for our grp to be spread all over, only to consolidate, then possible even pivot, in the final 2-4hrs.

And who do we have a pseudo guilty on? Nobody has really come forth with straight info.

Nightingale said:

I haven't really considered the silence abilities because.... why? Why would someone bother to silence morri when he has hardly been a chatterbox or said anything even remotely controversial. Unless you wanna tinfoil that MTR is cult/unseen/reaper and got spooked by the hail hydra joke... but eh.

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I doubt the silence, but it could explain his absences. I feel it is more likely a reap or straight up MIA situation.

You say no evidence that Morrison has been silenced, but we wouldnt get told if he was.

At this point there are multiple options.
1. He is just MIA.
2. Was reaped and is a husk (will know next phase)
3. He was silenced. (Lasts 24hrs)

We wont know unless he shows up and says something, or we move to the next phase and he is dead.

rock meets hard place said:

I feel like Nightengale and I were on the same page yesterday but today we couldn't be more different. I am at a slight disadvantage as I don't know people normal play but there's no evidence to suggest that Morrison has been silenced today and I think Future is kinda scummy. Its like he's posting but he's just there...it seems very active lurk.

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We are all at a disadvantage when it comes to you. None of us know or have played with you. You could have look at other games here to see peoples tendencies.

JackSparrow said:

Robo could of randed evil king idk so its 50/50 there

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think VK said 60/40 was the good/bad chance for king rand at the start

rock meets hard place said:

Why not call me out yesterday? Why are you and BN focusing on me going after inactive but not nightengale? Are you guys just scum that thinks I'll be an easier lynch than her? What is your read on Morrison?

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Im not focusing on you. I asked you questions. Ive also asked Night some questions.

Nightingale said:

BN - I picked CWE because he's someone I currently have almost no opinion of; and while he is generally quiet, he tends to be even *more* quiet when he is scum... and he's been nearly silent. So I want to poke and see what people say/do.

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Fair take on CWE. With Mazers post of quiet based on game type or quiet based on scum, do you lean more one way or the other? Or is this more a poke to see what shakes out to get a read?

Nightingale said:

We need to come to some form of consensus soon if we're going to have any hope to reach majority. I still dislike morri's D1 - but I am hesitant to want to eliminate someone who may turn out to have been reaped.

I am not pleased with Robo's participation thus far, he hasn't bothered to give any thoughts or opinions on anyone - and his one comment today that he protected Jack last night at random does not sit well with me. Even in the early stages of the game I would expect some effort to pick a person he felt was town-ish for that rather than a dice roll. Although... the other side of that is I don't know why he wouldn't just lie and say he'd picked someone who would be accepted as a good protect target, or made up a reason for someone or whatever. I'm leaning distrust at this point though.

Listo I tentatively trust, I've seen him do some ballsy plays as scum, but not usually early game like this, so I believe whatever info he has on Jack is accurate - but if Jack is bleeding he's probably going go die anyway.

I want to try shaking something that's being ignored, CWE is usually more involved when he's town.
Vote: CWE
@Mazer - can you tell me what you think of CWE?

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Feel the same way about our King. Very limited effort into the game. Hard to tell if he's good or bad. Leaning towards potential bad king based on the low effort.

Morrison has been MIA all game. 2 posts d1 and no check in today. Potential reap target. Had mazer in the same boat til he posted. Do we have anyone else that hasnt checked in today?

Of the low input people, why did you pick CWE over others? This feels very on brand for CWE to me.

We get it... you're bleeding and you want healing.

Aside from your begging and defending yourself today, any opinions on who you trust/distrust?

Satsu said:

Bleh interactions. Its all about spreadsheets mister.

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Maybe for some people, but thats not my jam

It feels like more and more people these days are content with sleep d1.

Too many people rely on writeups and spreadsheets on a game that should be about interactions.

rock meets hard place said:

Except what you are "calling me out" on isn't exactly accurate. You have clarified/backtracked that it was about TODAY but I was poking Morrison yesterday and nothing came of it, why should I expect anything different today? We couldn't even get a wagon past 2 people. lol

Also, I think your "high post count doesn't mean you did anything" comment is utter rubbish. Like, I'm not being rude about it. People have lives and are busy or choose to do something else. No biggie. I'm just stating a fact that I feel like I did significantly more than several people. True, I may have made some joke/troll posts but I think the vast majority of my posting was game relevant. If you don't feel like I did anything, then who did?

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Yet did you try to convince people to move to your wagon on Morrison or did you let it just sit at 2?

rock meets hard place said:

Vote:
morrison



lets vote here until it does something

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rock meets hard place said:

but morrison first

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rock meets hard place said:

isn't voting to sleep effectively the same thing? Why not vote an active/inactive?

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rock meets hard place said:

Looks like you are safe for today, Morrison

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This was your entire "push" yesterday... not really trying to do anything. And pushing someone with little to no activity on d1 is weak.

rock meets hard place said:

clearly, I did nothing yesterday. I didn't push anyone at all.

Is this kind of posting normal for BN? it's like he comments on my posts but it's like empty and doesn't really go with what I'm saying or what has happened in the game.

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Not to mention this comment was based on your start of today. Leading with a sleep vote and saying we should rush it since "Nothing will happen"

rock meets hard place said:

Maybe I'm just full of myself but I'd argue that I was one of the few that did anything. I prob had 50 posts yesterday. lol

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High post count doesnt mean you did anything. And you have 46 total for this game, so over-estimating your d1.

And yes, I call people out on things and gauge their reactions. Its how I develop my reads.

JackSparrow said:

Im bleeding help help i need a dr =[

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popular this game?

rock meets hard place said:

for some reason, I thought this was flipless.

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There is no major writeup to get clues from. This style almost always has a flip on death.

Nightingale said:

Val is a strange kill....He said almost nothing didn't he? And only one kill means we may be dealing with a cult and either a sorcerer or possessor I think? Or that was an unseen kill and we have a reaper maybe, we should pay attention to see if anyone doesn't post today. Also possible that protections or occupies might have been successful and skew what this looks like, though I don't think anyone tried to kill listo.

I have no more info on players than I did yesterday, and so will go right back to my primary suspect from D1 for now. I do expect and want more from robo today though.
Vote: Morrison

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There are multiple ways for only 1 kill.

Reaper, Protects/Occupy and potential holster.

Agree we need to see if someone doesnt show up today.

rock meets hard place said:

Vote: sleep

nothing is going to happen again today so there's no point in even trying. Let's speed up the inevitable.

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When you dont put forth any effort into the game, its a possibility.

You could poke people for reactions. Is there anyone you are sus of? Why not pull that string?

Xanjori said:

Like I said, if targeting a town then a wolf could easily copy my vote with a joke reason too, or call me out for wasting time today. I mean its not like we've not had enough of that kinda talk around sleep votes.

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By the same token, you've had time to move on to someone elses vote but havent.

There were plenty of votes that didnt get commented on. Why was your random one so special it needed commentary?

Matthieu said:

I wanted to see who was actually paying attention and willing to be helpful.

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You know this just reads as "Im too lazy to read the game rules"

MTR said:

I am not a fan but it says that if we don't reach a majority by end of day then no yeet goes through. If we can figure out someone worthy of going after I am more than happy to switch my vote.

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hard to figure out someone worthy if people just vote sleep and dont prod people.

Matthieu said:

It's almost like I was placing emphasis upon the former element rather than the latter. Which, in turn, ties into my earlier question posed regarding whether claiming is allowed or not.

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Maybe you could read the OP and see what the rules say about claiming

rock meets hard place said:

it's like you got to that post and just stopped reading. I think my explanation in 178 is perfectly fine or do you not think so? One could argue that he's most likely town b/c he has a 60% chance of it but just going "oh 60% let's leave him alone!" is just lazy. He deserves the same scrutiny as everyone else. He's not getting lynched today and that's fine but I'm waiting on him to return. s1 is nearly over and it feels like we've gotten nowhere. Is a 2 page d1 common?

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he is getting the same scrutiny. Everyone will develop a read on him, but d1 isnt the best time to remove the king and blind vote someone new king. We at least need to have an idea of who can be trusted 1st

rock meets hard place said:

he's not my king!

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If he is a good king and you are BlueDragon, he is your king... or you low key saying you think he is bad? or you claimed to be bad/3p yourself?

The morrison pop in when pinged, then disappear...

and we still dont have anything from the mazer man

Vote: Voidkitten

Bastard Mod... :)

Matthieu said:

On a more serious note, there was...ten (?) or so posts made by the time I decided to check in. Barring me commenting on each and every one for the sake of seeming busy, I dunno what BN expects. If I see something that piques my interest, I'll bring it up.

So far, the 'haha lets kill the king' was the most pressing thing to me.

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What about the discussion of potentially 2 restrictions?

Where do you stand on that? If 1 were faking it, who do you think is the fake?

Im also of the opinion that 1 restriction is actual, the other is a troll

Nightingale said:

Eh bien, j'ai été touché par une restriction. Je ne suis pas vendu sur Jack. Il n'y a qu'un total de trois rôles qui pourraient le faire. Max. Et cela suppose que nous ayons une culte. Sinon ce n'est que deux : méprisé et imbécile. Et cela signifierait qu'ils auraient tous deux été choisis au hasard comme rôles dans ce jeu, ET tous les deux présents et attentifs à me frapper, puis Jack juste après. Et même si nous avons un culte pour en faire un potentiel de trois, le rôle qui commence par le chef de culte est aléatoire, donc un culte ne signifierait pas automatiquement qu'il y a un apôtre.



Il me semble juste peu probable que j'aie été touché par un et qu'un deuxième se soit trouvé là pour voir et ait ensuite décidé de faire exactement la même chose à Jack.

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Well, I was hit with a restriction. I'm not sold on Jack. There are only a total of three roles that could do this. Max. And that assumes we have a cult. Otherwise it's only two: despised and imbecile. And that would mean that they would both have been randomly chosen as roles in this game, AND both present and intent on hitting me, and then Jack right after. And even if we have a cult to make it a potential three, the role that starts with the cult leader is random, so a cult wouldn't automatically mean there's an apostle.



It just seems unlikely to me that I was hit by one and a second one happened to be there to see and then decided to do the exact same thing to Jack.


-For those not willing to translate

I think 1 got hit, the other is being a cheeky bastard

Nightingale said:

Eh bien. Il semble que quelqu'un ait déjà décidé que je dois me taire, lmao

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Well. It looks like someone has already decided that I should shut up, lmao

Nightingale said:

Nous avons donc au moins l'un des éléments suivants : méprisé, imbécile ou culte avec un apôtre.

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So we have at least one of the following: despised, fool, or worship with an apostle.

Nightingale said:

Je pense un peu que Jack fait n'importe quoi en réponse à ma restriction. La probabilité qu'il y ait deux de ces rôles qui traînent sur le fil, et l'un m'a frappé, puis l'autre a immédiatement décidé de frapper les griffes avec exactement la même chose aussi - me semble mince.

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I kind of think Jack is messing up in response to my restriction. The likelihood of there being two of these roles lying around on the wire, and one hitting me, and then the other immediately deciding to hit the claws with the exact same thing too - seems slim to me.

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pourquoi faut-il que ce soit un imbécile ? il y a deux autres possibilités ? De plus, le comportement de Jack pourrait absolument être celui d'un imbécile, mais c'est aussi un peu normal pour lui, alors *hausse les épaules*

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why does he have to be a fool? are there two other possibilities? Also, Jack's behavior could absolutely be that of a jerk, but that's also kind of normal for him, so *shrugs*


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Nightingale said:

Future was saying this is a Cult game and to toss out all the Unseen roles -- so my point is that if this turns out to BE an unseen game it's unlikely future began as Unseen.

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The OP said this is a cult style game. Maybe he ran with that then?

Either way, I still think there are roles that are limited to a cult or unseen game

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My point / train of thought is that he saw this is a cult game and assumed that meant the actual Cult -- if he began as one of the unseen he would know it was still a cult game because of their mechanics and therefore wouldn't just assume they didn't exist. For that matter if this is an unseen game and he were unseen, I don't think he'd come in and be like "yeah just toss out all the unseen cards, those don't exist" either.

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think satsu's point was if he had a role that led him to unseen. Because IIRC there are some roles that only exist in cult games, others that are only in unseen games

Xanjori said:

Am I misremembering, isnt it just his standard opening?

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You say you read it as town, Im just point that its something he has recently done as scum.

His new standard opening does seem to be vote sleep then interact in a minimal way. See how that pings me?

Xanjori said:

That actually strikes me as towny from Graeham

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And yet that how he opened last game, when he was scum.

Matthieu said:

Why?

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Vote sleep... and the d1 comment.

Not trying to engage with anyone. Just a lazy move.

Only thing from it I liked was saying to give Robo time.

Matthieu said:

Vote: Sleep

Let's at least give Robozerim some time to prove whether he's a benevolent monarch or not.

D1 being what it is I would prefer not to go after anyone at all unless we end up with a no show.

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Your opening post just pings me...

CWE said:

Vote: rock meets hard place

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Guess someone needs to take up the mantle of voting and/or killing the new guy...

rock meets hard place said:

Vote: Robozerim

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Curious as to why you are going after the king

@Robozerim Would you be upset if the town sheers you and spins the wool to make clothing for peasants?

Val coming in hot with a vote on the king.

Vote: Matt
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